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My Quest for a Chinese Wife

我对一个中国妻子的探求


Guest article by China Shark Mike

I am a simple man living in a complicated world who refused to accept the norms of his own culture. A man who decided to pursue his dream despite the ridicule of others. Life is too short, that's why I embraced the Chinese culture and moved here to assimilate as much as possible to insure that the next marriage will be the last. Maybe I'm a fool but I've lived to the the fullest, how many can claim that?

Chinese Bride and American GroomMy story began few years ago. Ironically, it was a very dark period in my life: dog died, no girl, no job. No real future at all.

Then, out of nowhere I meet this beautiful Russian woman from Jordan browsing through Craigslist. Some time and few hundred bucks later did I realize to my dismay that I was the victim of internet scam. Destroyed me for a week or so but I recovered and was back up browsing through, when I came upon this site Chnlove.com.

At first it was curiosity. Then it became obsession.

I read the forums on the site day and night. No job anyway, so what the hell…After a week I bought credits for EMFs (email forwarded message). These EMFs are letters, translated from English to Chinese and vice versa. It works out to average $4 – $6.5 depending on amount you buy. So I dived into trying to find a suitable Chinese woman through this site.

First one I met – her family rejected me because I had no job at the time. But even after I secured a job at Buckland Group in Hunan, they still would not accept. It didn’t matter anyway since by that time I switched to another girl, for whom I eventually moved to China.

Am not going to use her name; we are still friends, yet unsuitable because of too many differences. Her issues were drinking, smoking, gambling – things I will not accept in a wife and future mother of my child. After 5 months we broke it off for good.

After that I’ve been through a slew of other women trying to find the right one. My conclusion: if one pursues this route, 95% of Chnlove is completely corrupt.

Chnlove is an umbrella corporate group based in Hong Kong. Pretty much could I say it is a franchise more or less like McDonalds. Smaller agencies pay royalty fees to be associated with a big corporation that has been around over a decade.

This is how it works. All female members pay large amounts of cash (sometimes a few months salary) just to create a profile. It includes making professional photo session and Photoshop. The male members can sign up for free. Yet if they want to contact a woman they must use the translation system that these agencies have set up. You sent a message in English, and it costs you say $4. For her to read the message costs you another $4!

The whole system is driven by continuous communication whether it is real or just created by translators who generate revenue by sending fictitious romantic EMFs. I’ve personally met some girls who acknowledged that they were refused registration in Chnlove because their English skills were too high! This process can go on for 6-8 months. I’ve heard that some women were not aware of the guy’s presence until a week before he was arranged to visit China.

These agencies get poor slobs on the hook and most never get anything in return. All men want to believe in fantasy of the hot young Chinese woman going for the older guy. But unless you have an amazing body, great job and financially well off – you are just a meal ticket.

As much as I knock Chnlove there is a possibility, yet very slim, to meet through it a woman and eventually marry. But the guys that do marry usually fall into category of fat, ugly, old and desperate. They visit China several times, sometimes over years and then eventually bring the women back to their respective countries.

I moved to China because I believed this was the way to make things work. It was my continence plan. And it brings me to the assimilation part. One of the main reasons why I came to China was the decision to assimilate by living and working here. Assimilation is about how much you really want something.

China Shark Mike has been 24/7 in Shenzhen since January 14, 2009 (had to quit job in Hunan because the school did not like the idea of having a teacher’s girlfriend living on campus with him). Before moving, I read everything I could about Chinese culture, good and bad. I blended right in because I’ve lived in Asian cultures and was married to Shanghainese before. I’ve always been fascinated by Asian culture, so as the saying goes “monkey see, white monkey do”.

Key for true assimilation is tolerance. Dealing with loud talking, cutting in line, dishonest employers etc. If you want to survive, you must learn the mindset of Chinese people. Believe me I was aghast for the first few months living here. One time, when I was in “Carefour” I saw a little girl peeing in a drain about 3 feet away from the live fish tanks… grandmother didn’t seem to mind.

But if you can deal with indifference, you can cope with this culture. Assimilation is about accepting things as they are. You might not like something, yet have to accept that after 5,000 years many things are still the same.

My assimilation was pretty straightforward. I wanted to know every nuance of the culture – so what the hell, I’ll just move here. Somehow students of mine always thought that I’ve been here longer than I really was. Now I just have to start putting in some time learning basic Mandarin.

And when I finally marry, I will be fine with my future.

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  • Greg

    Another western loser ESL teacher.

    Cant find a woman to look at him in his own country, cant get a decent job either. So he gives up trying to make it in his own country based on merit, and relocates to China – where any white man can find a desperate mainland Chinese woman and teach English regardless of talent or qualifications making 10k RMB/Mo.

    Congratulations – Thats really “living life to the fullest”! LoL

    • http://laowaiink.weebly.com Mark

      Isn’t this cliche getting a little long in the tooth? Yes there are countless western ESL teacher losers in China, but how many western businessmen and consultants have you met who embrace Chinese culture and stay true to their western or Chinese spouse/gf? From what I’ve seen, they’re just as trigger-happy as the teachers, guiltlessly going buck wild on KTV girls, hookers, or any other cupcake intoxicated by his laowai-ness, not to mention being condescending and often flat-out racist. My point is that the Western ESL teacher loser can be just as easily substituted by Western ___________ loser. No profession has less douchebags than the other.

      And would someone please tell me why a girl from one’s home country (translation: a white girl) is the Holy Grail? Just look at how content the Western guys are with their Western wives when they come to China… :roll:

      • ziccawei

        ^ Absolute gold.

        Well said Mark.

      • jordan

        Maybe, but the difference is the guy with a career job has that going for him.  He’s not some english teacher.  Teachers are the commoner foreigners.  If you are somebody in China you don’t date chinese girls.  There are hundreds of russian models in south china, but they won’t speak to common foreigners. it means nothing to date a chinese girl because any white guy can do it.  Tell one of the models at a nightclub you are a teacher and watch how quickly they walk away.  Teaching something to be ashamed of

  • Daniel Cooper

    another loser who stumbles on to random blogs and has to add his worthless 2 cents, condrats buddy. Nothing wrong with re-location, if he was married before how can you call him a loser, I bet he has a hell of a lot more experience then you, Mike has been living his life from what I read of his experiences, I look foward to seeing his post, but its losers like you who troll the internet, looking for other peoples misfortune and thus start a flame thread, Mike is living his life, and I bet he’s having a blast, you need to go find a life too, and do me a favor, don’t reply to my post.

    • Rachel

      I bet Daniel Cooper is just another name that CSM uses when he tries to back himself up. Dude tries to act like some kind of China guru when it sounds like he just fails at life.

      • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

        Rachel, you lost the bet.
        Daniel is a 19 years old African American guy.

      • Nick

        Rachel,

        That was a bit unkind. CSM made a decision to take a big chance, live in a very foreign country, and try to make a life there. He is succeeding. Trying to compete in China as, say, and engineer would be foolish. They graduate plenty of engineers. He selected a very good option for a native English speaker – teach English.

        I may not always agree with CSM, but I have to respect him for following his dream and holding fast to it. He made his plans, worked out the details, and is succeeding within the scope of his plan.

        He’s been living in China for more than 20 months, so I would certainly consider his observations to be worthy of consideration.

        He has hardly failed at life. Quite to the contrary, it seems that he is succeeding quite well – he is carrying out his plan and he seems to be enjoying the results of his efforts. From what I’ve seen, he’s not hurt anyone, made any poor young lady pregnant and abandoned her, or anything like that. He’s treating people with respect and he is attempting to understand the culture in which he is now living.

        And Crystal can verify that I am not CSM, either.

      • Nick

        And, if that were not enough, he also quite willingly shared some of his not-so-good experiences with us with the intent of sparing others from making the same mistakes.

        He willingly admitted mistakes for the benefit of others. Again, something that should warrant respect, not ridicule.

  • http://chineseleafwrap.blogspot.com/ Sarah

    It sounds a bit like Asian fever to me… but anyway everyone has their own tastes.. However i think if you do manage to learn Mandarin you will be much more likely to find a long term girlfriend and then hopefully a wife.

  • ziccawei

    ^ Yes, learning Mandarin is definitely very helpful.

    I, too, am another western loser without a real job. For your information, I teach English too at various places around Shanghai combined with the occasional bit of drug-running and pimping – still it’s a living.

    And yeah, I think I have Asian fever… Although SE Asian girls do nothing for me, I am strictly Chinese, and I don’t really dig Canto chicks.

    Yes, I’m a real loser….

    Meeting a 26-year-old girl for lunch today. Should I iron a shirt? Please advise.

    :cool:

    • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

      How was the meeting with 26 y.o.? :cool:

      • ziccawei

        Perfectly civilised.

        What do you take me for, Crys? I’m not one of those fat, bald, old laowai losers you hear about. Or maybe….

  • Daniel Cooper

    I disagree with all the loser calling, what gives a person the right to call someone else a loser because he tries his fortune in another country, again, if these guys aren’t going for 16 year olds where’s the harm? There are some who take advantage of Chinese girls but so what big deal, girls are taken advantage of all over the world, but what do I know, I’m only 18 -_-;;;

  • michel

    you know china could be a dream as US is a dream for some european.
    People could be happy all over the world. If someone have a asian fever, it s good for him. If he was not happy in US and prefer the way he is in China. It s good for him. Everyone has to find out where he will be the most happy, with who, with the work that suits them the most. Wherever is it ! It s good that he have the courage to go somewhere without speaking mandarin. ( maybe the only issues for me was that he did not learn mandarin before going thereand that he did go to china to find a girl and not to change his life )

  • China Shark Mike

    It’s ironic how some people can twist and try to contort things to suit their mindset. Half of the reason I really planned this endevour was to make a lot of money by teaching then eventually reinvesting the money to open up a lucrative export with my girlfriend or future wife. Things in America were looking really bleak 2 yrs ago. I’de be getting paid peanuts compared to what I was making at my last gig in the states. It’s simple enough mathematics, work free lance at several schools in your city and you’ll make a lot more and save a whole lot more than you could in your respective countries. I realize there are quite a few western losers here doing the teaching gig. I actually enjoy my job here a lot more than my last middle management back home. I’m good at my job and I make a difference in children’s lives. I never gave up on America, just wasn’t my dream to live a mediocre lifestyle. It’s funny because it’s the trolls that keeps it really real in my mind. Whatever, oh yeah I’m losing sleep over what snide remarks are made at me hiding behind their little keyboard. Crystal you were right I’de get flamed but China Shark doesn’t back down. Trolls will be trolls I guess.

    • Teacher in China

      You’ve really got to stop referring to yourself in the third person man…. ;-)

    • G$

      CSM, I find it very interesting how similar are plans are in regards to the opening an export with the future misses. Twasn’t exactly how my plans started out, but it is how they’ve come to developed. Also, how’s the Chinese study going? =D (你的中文学习得怎么样?)

  • Caseyorourke

    I met my wife on Asiafriendfinder.com. I had been divorced for about 6 months and on a whim I registered and bought the gold membership. I added some pictures ans before I knew it I had women from all over China sending pictures. There were a few with whom I actually had actual video chats with where I compared them with the pictures they had sent me. At the time I was talking to the one I eventually chose to marry in Yanji, I was also talking to a girls in Nanning and Shenzen. The girls in Shenzen and Nanning had certain demands that were difficult to handle. The one in Shenzen wanted everything done yesterday and the one in Nanning demanded I own a house. The one in Yanji had no demands other than I be a good and honest man who always tried to do my best. I have never regretted my decision and the last 7 years happier than I could ever imagine. I have met my true soulmate.

  • Peter Phelps

    I can definitely second the opinion on ChnLove, that about 98% of the time it is just a scam. I think there are many ladies there that get a little back for the messages and are just model pictures. Often I was able to weed out the ones because they would ask questions I had already sent answers to or the tone seemed way different. One lady I had chatted back and forth daily for four months before I finally asked when I could come see her, and when we could move off the site. It was a very expensive lesson to say the least. There was another lady there that said I was rude for asking too many questions, she really never told me anything about herself, at least she was somewhat more honest but no communication ends up no relationship. Although the Chnlove forums were nice, there are better ones out there like http://www.candleforlove.com which has both English and Chinese forums and a lot of advice on the visa process. It was through that forum that I found http://www.cherryblossoms.com which I use now. Just beware, you’ll need to block certain countries very quickly. The Philippines for instance after I joined I receive hundreds of messages, sometimes from little 18 year olds.

    I have been asked a few times if I would like to teach English in China. I have said before that I do not think I would do well living there. I am too much a free thinker and would probably end up accidentally saying or doing something that would get me in a lot of trouble.

    No one is a loser for searching for their happiness and love.

    • Caseyorourke

      Peter, I’m on Candle myself. I joined after I was married and had started the visa process, but once I joined it was a wealth of information for me which I have shared with others. As for teaching in China, don’t worry about your opinions getting you in trouble. Most Chinese could care less about your politics and are more interested in what America is like and what makes it different from China. As a people the Chinese you will work with will be the friendliest people you would ever want to meet and will make sure you are taken care of. If you are single and unattached, the women will find out and your choices will be limitless.

  • peterpaulpeter

    hi shark mike, sorry to hear you had no success finding a good chinese marriage partner. i found one right here where i am living in vancouver, bc, canada. she had immigration problems claiming refugee status an was ordered to leave canada. i met her through the canadian-chinese friendship club and now am married to her for 12 years, a dream girl. in the larger cities in the us i am sure you have similar clubs, you pay a little bit of money, like $50 and get numerous introductions. find a girl with immigration problems and marry her if you like her and she will be thankful for the rest of her life and will never forget what you have done for her. why would anyone want to move to china and work for peanut wages ? you don’t have to to find a wife. besides that most chinese girls that want to “get out” are looking for guys that are just visiting their country. my wife probably could fix you up with some girls that are related to her or she knows as friends. you make a poor immpression to a chinese girl if you are working in china for chinese peanut wages. from paul

  • Pete

    I would also recommend AsiaFriendFinder – my experience there is that the women are not all just looking for a green card. Yes, most of the women want to get married, but it doesn’t appear to be a scam like some other sites. The women create their own profiles (usually you can tell which ones have had “professional” help). I got on there just looking for friends, and I’ve met several really great women there that I correspond with and talk to regularly.

  • http://www.joecool.dk/blog Peter

    I’m I the only one who actually have good experience with Chnlove? I met my wife there and if she’s a golddigger, she’s doing a bad job. Still married after 5 years and have a cute 1 year old kid. But now I have to wonder if I’m one of the fat, ugly, old and desperate people mentioned? ;-)

    You get what you look for is my experience. If you aim too high and fast, theres a big chance that you’ll miss. It doesn’t matter where you look. Everyone can be fooled, but you can do much to make sure you’re not.

    Good weekend everyone.

  • China Shark Mike

    Well, guys have to say I’m getting back together with my old girlfriend Amy who I whined about for the last year and a half. She’ll move in my apartment in another 3 months after she finishes her TOEFL course in Guangzhou. I agreed to buy us a house here and then we’ll marry. She doesn’t expect bride price or me to grovel to her parents. Parents are well to do so they’ll never accept. Truth be told I don’t really care if they approve of me or not. Amy rationalizes that if we have a baby I need to have a house for us. No, problem. I’m not making peanuts here I could clear $36,000. a year teaching 30 hrs a week. Yeah, I’m laughing all the way to the bank. Just bought a 40″ Skyworth LCD tv. Life is good then it gets better. Perseverance and tenacity paid off in the long run. I didn’t aim too high just not realistic to the Chinese mindset. You lose your job in America unemployment or government funds are doled out the support the overall economy. I was out of work because my employer felt that my temporary disability was too much of a burden to bare. I was on the books for 6 months of unemployment, and 6 months government funds. I could have probably gotten another 3 – 6 months but I chose to pick myself up by my bootstraps and change things. Chinese culture does or will not acknowledge that you could ever be out of work and still survive. I just figuired it out yesterday that I haven’t physically taught any of my students for the last 4 weeks and all my bills are paid up to April 1st and plenty of food in my cuboards {spelling}Sorry if I offended the fat, ugly, bald, old guys. If you fall into those categories it’s no secret to anyone. :mrgreen:

    • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

      Congratulations!
      Seems that China Shark Mike’s quest for Chinese wife is coming to the end ;-)

    • keius

      Wedding pics or it didn’t happen!
      Seriously, it’s not a done deal til the deed is done :roll:

      But, congratulations, I seriously hope things work out well for you. ;-)
      I assume she’s going to make you do some of those studio wedding pics where neither of you are
      actually recognizable with the million layers of paste splattered all over your faces :mrgreen:

  • http://motpol.blogspot.com Hans Engnell

    I found the love of my life on Chnlove and I’m neither fat, particulary ugly, old or desperate. I probably ranked among the youngest men on the site (27 at the time I registered). There are huge risks, though, since you’re initially in the hands of the agencies. And there are indeed bad agencies, bad interpreters and, of course, bad women who are only interested in money. I guess I was lucky. Very lucky. The agency was sincere, they did not charge anything except some translation fees for a few hours on our first date (one hears that some charge so called “success fees”) and the girl I finally traveled to China to meet was (is) amazing!

    Even though I have met the girl of my dreams through Chnlove I would not immediately recommend it. Because of my personal experience I cannot tell people to stay away either. My advise would be to learn some Chinese first so that you can communicate with the woman privately as well as through EMF’s. That makes it less risky.

  • China Shark Mike

    Hans, great to hear it. However, with that said you are the exception to the rule. Have your girl bring up the male member side of China Love and see what I’m saying. :mrgreen:

  • Bored in Melbourne

    Mike, great to read your path of finding a good lady to share life with. I can sympathise with the work position in the meltdown of the US economy. My own career took a severe shift during that time as I was an exec for a formerly large US based company and lost my job suddenly, I certainly did not see it coming as I had just finished the best year for the team in my region of the world and was due to move upwards again. Luckily the payout was good. But there was nothing happening in the job market at all, nothing!
    I was lucky that my Chinese girlfriend encouraged and supported me to try some business of my own, as well as my Masters (she is an academic), which served me well into the next role irony mean I ended up having to leave her for the next job was in another city, but I left that role to come back closer to my daughter (and her as the bonus).

    If not for my daughter being young and mostly with Mum I would probably also be in China now. Although I am more likely to go there with a partner already. I sense the company I recently joined would like to have me run their operation there at some stage, but I am not in a hurry right now. I am far from the fat, ugly, balding, loser, or older guy stereotype also.
    My Mandarin is just so so these days through lack of practice (we always end up talking in English to help her, as an academic she really wants to improve her English)

    Mike a question now. Having been there a short while to absorb the local scene, do you still feel that you will return home to live and educate kids etc, or if business develops from China and local life is more than acceptable, will you remain in China to live out life there?

  • China Shark Mike

    Bored, my dream is to ulimately buy a house here and eventually a second one in America if the business succeeds like the way I plan it to. Right now girl states she wants to remain in China. But once a child is brought into the picture we’ll move to America to have him/her educated in high school and university. I think living in China on the off seasons{summer and holidays would be a good solution}. China is great yet feel I want my child to become more worldly more perpared for life in general. Now these are all pipe dreams yet attainable given perservere. Truth be told I don’t subscribe to I don’t want to sacrifice to have a better life. Life is too short to not try to reach the brass ring. Too many people in this world settle for mediocrity because they given up on their dreams. 9 times of 10 I will follow through a long term life plans. I’ve over two years, all the ground work has been laid. Concentrate on saving and working at the relationship and the rest will follow accordingly. :cool:

  • GentleGiant

    CnnLove USED to be a good site. I used it about 4-5 years ago and although I did not find the love of my life, it was first on my list when I started looking again in 2008.

    Sadly, by then the site had changed, there is a lot of dishonesty.

    To be honest, ANY dating site that charges for letters and will not allow off site communication is a no-no, be it Chinese, Russian or US.
    The biggest and most infamous example of dishonest websites is anastasiaweb; catering for men looking for a FSU bride.

    If you are looking, try visiting http://jimslists.com/ for good site recommendations; I choose http://www.chineselovelinks.com.

    I wrote to a number of attractive woman and went out over Christmas to spend time with one. She is visiting me (hopefully – if the visa comes through!!), over Easter, and if she is happy with my tiny town after living in her tiny city (pop 4.5 million!!), I will be going back out there for 3 months and marrying her during the summer.
    I am not rich and I am not pretty, but I had 5 attractive, articulate women vying for my attention, all between 7 and 16 years younger than me, from Restaurant Managers, to Corporate Sales Reps, to someone whose “family own some factories”.

    As for the abuse, call it what it is, jealous losers; people who arent brave enough to try it themselves, so have to bad-mouth their betters.

    • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

      anastasia.web… hmm, right..
      On few occasions I encountered spammy-looking websites which generated income by featuring the member profiles taken from anastasia.web .

      However, I don’t have specific opinion on their service except that their ads are quite annoying.

      For my research posts I keep a profile on chineselovelinks.com .
      But don’t take it as recommendation, I just find their interface to be aesthetically pleasing and search options convenient to retrieve the information I need.

  • Teacher in China

    Personally, I’ve had a lot of success on the friend finder sites. Started off on asiafriendfinder, but then when that one got blocked, headed over to chinesefriendfinder, which was just as good. They’re both blocked now, but you can around it via proxies. Anyway, for the most part I’ve met sincere girls through there. The biggest problems I’ve run into are fake pictures and the occasional princessish attitude.

    I’ve also had limited success on lavalife, although in recent years the membership in China has been declining, so it’s not really worthwhile anymore (for Beijing at least). For a free service, recently I’ve been on plentyoffish. A friend of mine swears by it and has met lots of Chinese girls through it so far.

    Good luck CSM!

  • China Shark Mike

    Yeah, maybe referring to myself in the third person is a little on the eccentric side {Venom in Spiderman would always refer to himself in a similiar fashion}. Possibly just too much ego and pride for my own good.

    • Teacher in China

      Hey it it’s just for fun, do it. Just comes across as sort of weird, you know? Teacher in China don’t play that game. ;-)

  • ziccawei

    I would never try to find a serious partner on a dating site. But that’s just me. It seems too impersonal and akin to shopping online. I would prefer to meet someone in a face-to-face setting. Something that I would regard as more ‘natural’ (for want of a better term).

    That said, online dating seems to be the ONLY way for a Chinese girl to find a boyfriend. This is how they find romance.

    I also think this is the reason so many of them are single now and rushing towards the age of 30 and panic-stricken.

    Oh well, sucks to be them….

  • China Shark Mike

    Yeah, but Z you have young hot women anytime you want. A lot of those guys pursuing women online couldn’t get laid in a morgue.

    • ziccawei

      Mmmmmmmmm………..

      Dead people………..

  • vanilla

    I don’t know there are so many westerner want to have chinese wife and so many did… it’s hard to see westerner-chinese couple in my city.

  • http://www.magnoliaarts.com TLB

    used chineselovelinks myself, paid a small sum to be able to contact anyone on the site, not much $ really, the interface was easy to use, and I went to off-site email almost immediately with the half dozen or so women I wanted to contact. Small business owners, college professors, kindergarten teachers, etc. Married the oldest of the bunch last July. :smile: Never got contacted by any translation agency.

    Z, I think these sites are maybe more useful as you age: it’s a lot easier to meet young folks face to face in social places (school, parties, bars, etc.) — for middle aged on up, it’s hard to meet eligible partners no matter what country you’re in. But it’s certainly your right to keep doing your shopping in person! :razz:

  • China Shark Mike

    Z, you’re a sick puppy, now you’re inferring I’m a necromatic because I made a cliche off color joke.

  • Sherie Barrett

    I got into checking on chnlove.com since I have noticed that my HUSBAND is on that site looking for a new bride!!! I didn’t know that we had problems…I am in complete shock!! But being better off knowing what he’s up to and having his information necessary to get into his chnlove account I can see what he writes to these women and how much money he is spending on them. Best to be informed for divorce court!! I got onto the computer today to see just how viable that site really is and it does my heart good that really it would be difficult for him to bring a new bride here. Serves him right. He’s going through a mid life crisis and I guess the girls make him feel great. I thought we mad a great relationship, everything he says to the girls on the Chinese site that he’s looking for he has right here with me. Does anyone have any idea how maybe I can anonymously let him see what a waste of time and money he’s spending on these girls??? Any suggestions short of castration that anyone has for me??? Greatly appreciated!!!

    • ziccawei

      You could create a fake account using a pic of a generic Chinese girl.

      Sorry to hear that has happened to you, but knows, your husband may come on this site and tell us a completely different story.

      :cool:

    • paul jakob

      hi sherie, i would not take it too seriously if your husband is looking at these pretty girls and even corresponding with them. i would ask him directly if he is serious about them. he might just do that for entertainment but deep down he loves you. why don’t you try seducing him with some sexy lingerie and do this regularly. how does the saying go again ? “a wife should be a… but a whore in bed”. you girls got the upper hand, use sex to keep your husband crazy about you.

    • http://wanderingamericantravelblog.wordpress.com/ WanderingAmerican

      lol wat?

  • Sherie’ Barrett

    Hello and thank you for the reply..I love the suggestion about the fake account…If I knew how I sure would hahaha. I know what you mean, if my husband was on here God only knows what he might say. I have to still believe that he would be honest, we were just dancing in the living room last night so this just came as such a shock to me!!! I guess he’s just wanting attention but who knows…I thank you and please.. any suggestions, thoughts etc. are greatly appreciated!!!

  • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

    If you found this post by googling for “Chnlove”, there is a possibility that your husband can also arrive here. Are you sure that you want to leave your name as it is currently displayed? If not, let me know and I will change it for you.

    And also I have a question. If your husband has a mid life crisis, why did he choose to go to Chnlove, and not to some other dating site? What made him think of Chinese women in first place?

  • Sherie’ Barrett

    Thank you for your reply…He has already been with chnlove so he won’t be looking for this type of site. He’s very poorly computer literate also. I really have no idea why he didn’t go to a local dating site, the only insight that I have is that the Chinese girls aren’t really available right here. He can talk to them and they can make him feel good about himself without knowing him?? Maybe it’s because I look alot like the Chinese women in the ad, he likes the long black hair, thin pretty women etc. That’s the only things that I can think of. I believe that this is harmless and he’ll get over it but then I don’t really know either. The other thing that I think is so odd is that chnlove has the Profile that the member fills out and everything that my Husband says that he is looking for in a wife is exactly what we have and things that we do!!! I guess i’ll never know the answers. I really appreciate your input. Thank you so much!!!

    • paul jakob

      sorry to hear that, sometimes some men want to see what kind of response they can get. it doesn’t mean necessesarily that he is ready to dump his present wife. i would suggest you should be completely honest with him and find out what is making him unhappy with you. honesty is always the best policy. maybe he is getting enjoyment out of looking at the pretty pictures of these young and beatiful young girls.

  • China Shark Mike

    Damn, that is a wild story. I have to agree with Crystal that he’s strictly hitting a mid life crisis and will get over it. There are a lot of guys that write these EMFs and never follow completely through {visiting china or marry a Chinese women}. You should figuire some way to bring up the subject or try to get some kind of dialogue going because there obviously is some lack of communication in your marraige. If I was you I’de be mad as hell as to what’s going on in his mind. Overall I say it will only stay a fantasy in his mind and go no further. Good luck with it though :|

  • Sherie’ Barrett

    Hi Mike and Thank you…Today was the shocker but I will soon be confronting him. I needed a day to contol myself after learning of this. I always thought that we had such great chemistry and that we talked over everything but some where we dropped the ball for sure. He’s hit depression since turning 50 and I didn’t have a hard time with it at all. I feel we are getting better as we have grown older but apparently he needs to be reassured more than I do(which is costantly). It may be that hearing me compliment him and fuss over him is just the same old same old and he needs others to do the same. The Chinese Ladies he doesn’t actually have to come into contact with so they are a safe haven for him. At least that is my take on this situation as far as I can understand it. So weird!! Thank you again Mike, I appreciate the comments!!

  • HongBaoNaLai

    @Sherie Barrett. People do wierd things and say wierd things on the internet. Remember the internet is more free. You can say racist words to a person on the internet and get away with it. While in real life you do that you’ll get ass kicked/stabbed/shot etc.

    You say you have access to his account then check his details that is revealed publicly. If its a fake name and other details not related to him then you know he’s not serious. He’s just just being an anonymous troll messing with people. If his account is role playing a pretty girl then you know he is 100% playing around with the site. You’d be surprise how many guys pretend to be girls on these sites. Don’t ask what excitement they get from fooling people.

    He’s probably on China’s sites and not local sites because of those US court cases you hear in the news about cyber bullying / harassment.

    So confronting him you might not get a right answer. How’s he going to tell you he has a made up account to mess with people at a dating site. He probably won’t even admit he’s a troll at a forum site. Think you can really get him to admit he’s folling people on the internet. He might be doing things on the internet that he will never do in real life.

  • abby

    life is so short but beautiful,just try to trust people around you,you would feel more comfortable and easier. :smile:

  • Sherie’ Barrett

    Dear HongBoaNalai,
    Thank you so much for that insight but nope he is using his real name address everything!!
    He even has pictures on there of our children all of our relatives (of course none of me).
    He sends them pics of my family but of course his Wife is dead yipes!! I did notice this morning e got a letter from a Lady on chnlove and she is asking for fruit. I think that I read they shouldn’t ask for anything or they are not serious and are using you. He asks them to go off the site and direct email him but no one will do that. He hasn’t been taken for to much money at this time I just am hoping that he realizes this will be fruitless for him and quits messing around. I may talk to him tonight. I truly believe that he’s looking for extra comfort but in all the wrong places. Thank you so much for all of your input I greatly appreciate it.

    • Bored in Melbourne

      Sherie this is a tough one as it could be that he is just looking for something new to reassure him BUT he does have at least a degree of intent or he would not bother with the follow up.

      My suggestion is to take a deep breath and bring it up indirectly. You do not need to say that you have snooped at all and you need to do it sooner than later. The main problem for your marriage is that the trust is being undermined and that will be terminal. So you have the chance to address it and you owe it to the family and both of you to do something about it.

      I went through a divorce that was very ugly, it did not have to be and there was no stopping it as we had married the wrong people, both of us, but you are probably not in that situation. So talk to him and at least make the impression that you are open minded to encourage him to open up. In the end he is probably not even aware himself of the underlying reasons that he is looking outside his marriage, it could be fantasy. I presume that you feel that you are both enjoying a great sex life? But in the case of my own marriage I am sure that my ex wife thought that while I was never really satisfied, I realised later that she assumed that as she was happy so was I. That was far from the truth.

      Anyway talk to him, bring up the topic sooner than later and try doing it indirectly but make sure you get to the point

  • Sherie’ Barrett

    Hello Bored In Melbourne,
    Thank you so much for the insight. Yes the sex life is excellent and everything else is sooo wonderful too. Very true I am very happy and he sure seems it, and I thought all was well until yesterday when I saw all of this on line. I am going to bring it up tomorrow and work things out from there. I am sure there are some on this site that might like to know the out come so I will post it as soon as I can. It’s been wonderful hearing all of the ideas from everyone, it was such a shock and now that I am through it I am a little anxious to actually hear what is going on in his mind. Thank you i’ll keep you posted!!!

  • paul jakob

    reading through all these stories and comments on mail order bride agencies i wonder if somebody could find the websites for the local newspapers in some of the cities and put your personal add in there or have a chinese friend phone them for you to put your personal add there. now we have internet and nobody has to be a sucker and get screwed around by some money-hungry agency. i am sure many chinese girls would spot your adds and would not have to give up much of their salaries just to contact you by mail. you can rent a PO box in your town for the reply mail. to translate get a chinese friend to help you and phone her via skype costing only pennies per minute. at one time when i was in guangzhou, my friend, the husband of my wife’s girlfriend showed me the adds in a local paper there and i saw hundreds of such adds from local people.

  • China Shark Mike

    Now I’ve heard it all. China Shark Mike is masquerading as someone else. Where do these pathetic trolls come from. Yeah, I’ve been living here 2 yrs 2 months and have never looked back since. Weasal hide behind your little keyboard and snipe you own insecurities at others. I do what I say and not just what I write or think in my mind. I’m just passing experience from my own trials and tribulations. Thanx, Nick appreciate the support I know I came down on some of you guys hard yet I did it for a purpose. As a collective we are wiser than we could be as individuals. Rhetoric is a politician or a fools game. No man or woman is an island we all need help navigating life’s journey.

    What happened to the posts that were forwarded to my email. They were dating the 14th???
    I posted a response to the troll Rachel’s post.

    • http://wanderingamericantravelblog.blogspot.com/ WanderingAmerican

      You gotta learn to just brush those kinds of comments off. Haters always gonna hate. She’s probably jealous you’re having an awesome time in China while she’s eating KFCs breakfast bowl at 3am in her darkened apartment.

    • Nick

      No, no… it was someone else masquerading as the legendary China Shark Mike! (What exactly is a “China Shark”, by the way?)

      And, you’re welcome. :smile: Like I said, you’re honestly trying to help others here. That warrants respect and support.

  • China Shark Mike

    China Shark was created back in January 09′ when I was using the forums on Chnlove. There were like 5 or 6 Mikes that were current posters at the time so I thought up what kind of unique name could I come up with. China was my future dream so that became the first part, then I pondered more about something that never gives up in pursuit of it’s goals {sustinence}. I’ve always been fascinated with sharks the power the skill, how they live. Sharks can never stop swimming because they would drown. Bam, I came up with a name that not only I really loved but one that I tattooed on my right lower tricep in Chinese characters. Students really get a kick out of it and think it’s cool. Truth be told I have my girlfriend and only a small circle of friends here that I talk to. Most of my buds are faceless personas online. My agenda is not totally aultruistic though, I need this as sort of like therapy to stay sane in an insane culture. 26 months since I have seen my family. I was contemplating reasons why this Rachel felt to put his or her negative comments on the board. Nick I was thinking the same thing if it was a foreigner woman who couldn’t get a date to save her life because of too much competition from the beautiful girls here. Male, probaly Chinese guy or fat, old, ugly westerner who lives here and still has no game. It simply amazes me that people put so much time into negative thinking whereas they could be much happier trying to put a positive spin on things. :lol:
    PS: Always looking at the half full glass is for losers and wreaks of hopelessness.

  • China Shark Mike

    I can’t seem to find the post about my future exporting plans posted. Here’s the deal my girlfriend is moving in this Friday, no more studying, no job so I’ll put her to work researching product that is made locally in or around China. Meanwhile I’ll be making the greenbacks plying my trade as a free lance English teacher. Now, I’m making like 35% more than I was 6 months ago. Once we find the right product I open up an Ebay and our own web page as a China wholesaler. If we can get it going :cool: I’m sure we can undercut a lot of the competition. When I go stateside I’ll be testing my products through old business aquaitences, flea markets whatever it takes to make some cashola.

  • paul jakob

    hello to all of you, most recently i discovered the translate program on google front page. nobody has to pay money to an agency for translations any more, it’s free ! i already tried it on a girl from Taiwan who speaks almost no english at all and so far she understood everything. here is what you do:
    click on translate on your google introductory page and choose from what language to what language.
    then a box appears and you can write your english text,and while you are doing that your translated text appears in your right hand box in simple chinese characters as well as the pinyin spelling below.
    next left click on the chinese text to highlight it and then right click on and within the highlighted text and choose “copy”
    now go to your email or what ever in your letter and again in the write area right click and choose paste and beautiful! your chinese text re-appears.
    you can re-translate it from chinese back to english just to see for yourself.
    obviously, i am not a computer expert but i wrote this for non-computer nerds like myself and good luck with your girlfriend or wife hunting in china or elsewhere.
    hi crystal, can we publish this useful info somehow to help those poor suckers who are wasting their money on translations. i believe this is useful info.

    • http://wanderingamericantravelblog.wordpress.com/ WanderingAmerican

      Don’t rely on Google Translate. It often makes mistakes that can lead to some awkward misunderstandings. It’s fine to use at the start but make sure you let whoever you’re talking to know that the program isn’t perfect.

  • Utah not Mormon

    Also, on occasion I use it and when I do I always take the Chinese they offer and re translate back to English. I have seen situations where google takes a negative and makes a positive or the reverse. This is very bad.
    When I dont like what it says after the reverse translation, I change the wording. Then try again. It is best to keep very short sentences. And use simple words and words that have the most precise meaning, not more general meanings. Another problem 啦 = friends in Google translate. This is very wrong. It caused me much confusion for 2 days.

  • Utah not Mormon

    I reported this problem 啦 to Google, maybe they will fix it ???

    • http://wanderingamericantravelblog.wordpress.com/ WanderingAmerican

      Bwahahahaha! We’re nothing but ants to them, Utah! Ants!

  • Utah not Mormon

    There is a place to report translational problems on the translation page.

  • paul k

    do you want to know why i chose a chinese wife because my chinese friends going to school and living here in canada told me i would probably be happy!!!!

    did they tell me some of the pitfalls of me doing this yes and i also did some of my own research on sites like this!!!

    so far they were right i found the wife of my dreams and as a bonus one that has a great daughter !!!!

    i have had three wives in my past ya i know a glutton for punishment tell me about it!!!!

    the moment i tell canadian women here that i have a chinese wife and how wives in china treat their husbands and how well most of their children behave, their first words out of their mouths is well wait until she gets here and we will need to have a talk with her!!!

    a friend of mine says to these woman why do you want to change her if she is happy let her alone !!!!
    he then tells these canadian women that we will be signing them up for womens school and my chinese wife will teach them maybe how to treat there husbands!!!

    i must say that when i was in china i did not see women crying in the streets in general most of them seemed to be happy healthy and happy maybe more then our women here today in the west!!!

    as for me i have two grown children from a previous marriage one 21 year old son and one adopted 30 year old daughter both i have not much heard from they are both bums !!!

    they are laying around they useless mother gives them everything and they are all waiting for my ex-wifes mother to die and leave them all the money !!! hehehe

    so now i have a 22 year old chinese daughter who respects me and is just great with a bachlors degree and will get a masters and already has plans for the future !!!

    she also has 7 degrees in piano and why because in china parents beat their kids when they need it and my wife is a tiger woman !!!!
    a steel rod in the magnolias !!!! hehehe

    i told my wife what the women say when she gets here !!!!

    my wife said western women do not understand chinese women !!!!
    when i was at my mother-in-laws for meals everyday !!!!
    the women were cooking and papa and i were trying to communicate while waiting !!!!

    my father-in-law would get his bowl of rice st in front of him fisrt then they would bring mine and then anyother males !!!!

    but papa and i would never start eating until the girls were sitting with there rice bowls never!!!!
    we waited for our wives and daughters!!

    the women seemed happy to serve us genuine happiness!!!

    they laught and joked with i and papa and we would laugh and joke with us !!!

    one joke my father had with me he knew the word volleyball popular in china !!!
    because i am a little heavy being canadian and my name is paul he stated calling me paulyball !!! hehehe a play on words even if his english was not much !!! we would laugh and laugh then he would tell his relatives and friends this joke !!!!

    if he did not like me he would not do these things !!!

    sorry a little of topic again !!!

    • http://blog.sina.com.cn/woaibabamamabaobao1314 Elijah

      Paul, I’m very happy that you’re happy to have found such a suitable wife for you and a daughter in law that you enjoy spending time with. However, I feel that you’re judging things based on superficial observations.

      For example, I would strongly disagree that the women in china are much happier and healthier than so-called “western” women for 3 very obvious reasons.
      1) Based purely on your own wife’s experience, it would seem that she found it impossible to find a good husband for her inside china and therefore had to look internationally. This would indicate that a woman’s role in china is very restricted. Restrictions aren’t happiness.
      2) You point out how your wife and mother-in-law serve the men before serving themselves and while my own wife does this occasionally for fun and to show her love, it’s not a prerequisite for her. Subservience is not happiness.
      3) china has the highest suicide rate for women in the world. This isn’t based on how many women, but rather the percentage. In most countries it’s men who kill themselves more. Obviously, this is not happiness.
      It’s superficial to believe that because you don’t see women in china expressing their feelings, that they don’t have any problems or that they’re not suppressing them.

      Lastly, this is just a personal pet peeve of mine, but seeing as how you’re a native English speaker, could you find the time to learn how to use the period mark rather than triple exclamation marks? It’s as though you’re in a constant state of surprise and shock.

      Take of your wife and daughter in law and be happy with them Paul.