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The Day When Guys Must Be Romantic and Brave

这一天男人必须得浪漫和勇敢


Marriage proposalFew weeks ago I had a chat with Daisy – my good friend since childhood. She was upset and confused after having a weird fight with her boyfriend. This fact alone was very unusual since she and Zhang rarely had any misunderstandings. Even more surprising was the reason of their fight – the awkward way in which Zhang proposed the marriage!

OK, let’s see what happened.

First of all, it’s important to mention that they have been together for few years and used to call each other “lao po” and “lao gong” (“wife” and “husband”). It was – and still is – pretty clear that sooner or later they are going to marry. The only question was when and how the proposal itself would be made.

Zhang decided to pop up the question one day before his girlfriend’s birthday. Actually, he hinted to be preparing a sort of surprise. But she didn’t suspect what exactly it was going to be.
On that day he left job earlier and came with car to pick up Daisy after her work. As they began driving back, Zhang turned to his girlfriend and asked her to pass him a CD with music. Daisy automatically reached out her hand to the “pocket” of the car’s door where they stored all CDs, took one of them and gave it to Zhang.

“Uff…” – said Zhang disappointedly – “my trick didn’t work”
“What trick?” – asked Daisy
“Check if there is anything else besides CDs?”

This time Daisy found two gift boxes… She opened the first box and saw a lovely necklace.
“Wow! What a beautiful birthday gift! Thank you, thank you, thank you” – she began kissing her boyfriend.
“Stop, I am driving! Open another box, please” – for some reason Zhang seemed to be slightly irritated.
“Hehe… another gift? Mmm… you are so generous today ;-) ”

The second box contained a ring.
“Oh, the ring is so beautiful! Is it also a birthday gift, or is it… related to surprise you were talking about?”
“Well… maybe it can be the engagement ring?”

It’s important to note that all this time Zhang continued driving…
“Well… maybe not!” – was the unexpected answer.
“ :!: :?: Okay… Then let it be just the second birthday gift.” – Zhang was visibly angry – “I hope that you like it”. And for the rest of their way back home they didn’t exchange a word.

So far the situation seems very banal. But this is an example of how little things can cause big troubles if people don’t take in account the expectations of each other.
Fortunately, later Daisy and Zhang found time to sit down and talk about what happened. So, from my friend’s words, let me re-play this scene once again (this time adding some information which was omitted before).

Generally speaking, Daisy’s boyfriend loves her very much and really wants to marry her. But… let’s say – he is not very confident. Even though he and Daisy live for a long time together, he acknowledged that while planning the marriage proposal he felt quite worried to be rejected. And this was in spite of having conversations with his girlfriend about their possible family life in the future.
As Zhang himself later explained, he was thinking about many romantic and creative ways to make the proposal. But as Daisy birthday’s eve was approaching (the day on which he planned to “break the silence”), he became less and less satisfied with any of the options. Add to it the constant pressure he lately had at work and you will understand his condition.
Finally, he decided to do it in a “by-the-way” manner so that in case of possible rejection he would feel less stress (cause anyway the proposal would be just half-serious).
Unfortunately, it indeed happened as in a self-fulfilling prophecy…

Now put yourself in Daisy’s place. Although she said that she had no idea what kind of surprise her boyfriend was preparing – I think that at least she hoped for proposal to be made. But the way in which Zhang did it – was it the one she dreamed of? Definitely, not!
Daisy always used to say that she didn’t want a rich husband – she dreamed about common life with her beloved man. And that man for her was Zhang. She didn’t want her life to be filled with fireworks. Common and happy life was more than enough.
However, there was one little dream. Maybe it was a kind of those nostalgic visions that all girls have since the times when they believed in fairy-tales. She wanted her marriage proposal to be special and romantic – something that she could later boast about to her friends and tell to children and grandchildren. Ahhh…
But instead of romantic poems from “charming prince”, she heard awkwardly muttered understand-it-as-you-want words from her unshaved boyfriend while he was driving the car.

Well… sometimes men and women just can’t understand each other. But I know that my friend is a happy girl and she is not going to lose her boyfriend’s hand because of one little misunderstanding. However, both she and Zhang now can only regret about the lost opportunity to create a wonderful memory which is given to each couple only once. :sad:

So, what kind of advice can I give to the guys who plan to propose to their girlfriends?
I think that three words can describe the mental state required from men in order to make the marriage proposal: SINCERITY, CREATIVENESS and COURAGE.

Maybe the authors of the following proposal instructions were more playful than serious but before making a marriage proposal it won’t harm to

Make sure you are truly in love, and the woman you are going to ask for your hand in marriage is the woman you want to spend the rest of your life with and raise your children.

Too often, in my opinion, people make commitments due to inertness rather than after having a serious thought – but it’s not the topic of this post.

If you read my articles about the art of loving, you remember that one of premises for true love is the skill of concentration. It definitely lacked in Zhang’s case who made proposal while driving the car and even didn’t look into his girl’s eyes.

And, of course, surprise must be surprise. It was mistake to give the hints. I understand, however, that this was just another symptom of lack of confidence – that’s why I mentioned courage as one of the qualities required from a man who is going to propose.

If you want to know how Chinese men handle such situation you can read an instructive post written by my fellow blogger Jocelyn. From it you can learn that lucky numbers are very important when you consider how many red roses to give to your beloved (in which case 99 would be better than 100).
One guy – whose example I wouldn’t advise you to follow – even thought that 9999 is better. :lol:

After all, as one can conclude from the video below – no matter how considerate you are – there are no guarantees that your proposal won’t be turned down ;-) .

In the end – to those of my readers who plan to make this important step I wish that you make it as perfect as possible and, of course, receive the answer “YES”!

Already said her “yes”, Crystal Tao

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  • Ziccawei

    Shafa!!!

    Well, a couple of things that seem amiss in your story Crys.
    First, you say that Daisy is not interested in a ‘rich husband’ but Zhang picked her up in his car. I’m not saying that Zhang is super-rich, but if he’s driving a car in China he sure ain’t poor. He’s a rarity – a young Chinese guy that owns a car. He’s got money.

    Two, Zhang and Daisy have been together for a number of years. I reckon the idea of marriage would have been spoken about/discussed/dissected and nailed to the door by now. Sure, Zhang needs to propose in a proper and ‘serious’ fashion, but after a few years together I doubt if there is any doubt in Daisy’s mind that Zhang will not marry her. It’s a done deal.

    Having said that Zhang sounds like a complete plank.
    What kind of guy gives a necklace as a wedding proposal?
    Why not offer her a dog lead and say ‘here ya go, rover’?

    • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

      Look at the example of girl in the video – she got angry that her boyfriend chose for proposal the same day as her birthday.
      Although I personally think that this is very sweet – I can only guess why she was irritated: maybe she felt that her boyfriend is “saving” on one of occasions when he can do something nice and romantic for her. As if he tries to “kill two birds with one stone”.
      Continuing the analogy, I think (though I am not sure and should ask my friend to confirm) that Zhang made two separate gifts: necklace for birthday and ring for proposal. Anyway, I agree that he was quite clumsy in the “execution”.

      It’s true that after few years of living together – in many cases – the question of marriage becomes just a formality. But just as any formality, it must be performed in a formal way! I know that Daisy is not gold-digger and by quoting her words that she was not looking for a rich husband I didn’t mean that Zhang was poor. I just wanted to say that she is not the spoiled princess with unrealistic expectations for her everyday life.

      But – and this is the main point of my post – on the occasion of marriage proposal every girl wants to feel as princess. And guys must use some imagination to make it happen.

      Let me quote here one article:

      In a recent study the majority of married women reported that they believe their spouse to spend a significant amount of money on their wedding proposal but that the lack of originality in the proposal had left the women feeling disappointed.

  • http://motpol.blogspot.com Hans Engnell

    I think this is different for everybody. I know a lot of girls expect a romantic proposal but me and my girlfriend sort of had an understanding early on that we were serious and wanted to get engaged pretty soon. We talked about it and came to the conclusion that we should get engaged in China together. The cultural differences caused some difficulties however. When we didn’t find any decent engagement rings in China (I’m not going to wear diamonds in my engagement ring!) we decided to get it done in Sweden instead. Had we lived together in the same country for years it would have been much easier to make a romantic proposal, though.

    So for us it was not a romantic situation per se, but rather a pragmatic agreement fulfilling both our wishes to be together. For us that was more than enough.

    • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

      You are right about the cultural difference in wedding rings: most couples in China have diamonds in their wedding rings.

  • http://www.magnoliaarts.com TLB

    First of all, congratulations on your engagement Crystal! Are we all invited? :mrgreen:

    Secondly, it sure looks like Chinese women are putting a lot of pressure on Chinese men here — how creative is “creative”? I think your statement about expectations is to the point: is this supposed to be two people who love each other finally verbally taking that last step toward marriage, or instead some sort of concocted show?

    Given the situation as you outlined it, Zhang could still have rescued the moment “on the fly” and created that romantic memory if, when Daisy asked if the ring was about the surprise, he had driven the car to the side of the road, stopped, looked deeply into her eyes and said “yes, it is: will you marry me?” — that would have been a good memory, I think.

    But I have to do full disclosure here: I dislike making big deals of things because it’s “expected” — I much prefer doing something romantic when it’s not expected, so I’m probably not a good measure here.

    And I hope that Zhang’s lack of confidence and the way he let this situation go downhill so fast is not a harbinger of things to come with them if they do get married — but I for one would be concerned about that if I were their relative or friend. :lol:

    • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

      Thanks for congratulations, Tim.
      I will be glad if you come to the wedding – just don’t forget to re-read my post about red envelopes :mrgreen:

  • Alphonse

    I agree with TLB “how creative is creative” for girls .

    Looks like the writer and daisy dont care about the big effort of the guy to buy all the gifts , the words of daisy “another” gift really means something:she is totally a gold digger!
    I hope Zhang realized the big mistake he was about to commit and find someone else , for some reasons he had the fear of rejection because for a gold digger you never know if you are enough for her .

  • Ziccawei

    There are certain times of the year – Valentines Day, Christmas Day being the most noteworthy – when you see Chinese guys waiting in certain well-known places-to-meet-your-girlfriend with their arms full of flowers, chocolates & gifts. Chinese girls, it seems, expect this kind of attention – the buying of gifts – no small price for the average Chinese bloke.
    So for something big – a marriage proposal – the gifts better be good.
    Why couldn’t it be Zhang in a park with Dopey Daisy and he gets a ring out and proposes to her?
    I think it’s because of this constant game the Chinese have of one-upmanship – like a Shanghainese woman said to me – ‘My sister’s husband gave her a BMW 5 series when they got married, but I’m getting a BMW 7′ (the fact that as she is in her early 30′s she has very little chance of anyone proposing marriage to her is another story). The Chinese have to out-do each other on every point.
    A Chines friend of mine, works in marketing, showed me a graph of expectations of the average Chinese bride in the last few decades. In the 70′s it used to be a bicycle and an air con (or something), by the 90′s it was an apartment. Now it’s a downtown apartment, a car, a car for her and 500,000 rmb to her parents.
    Maybe now a wedding proposal in Shanghai should consist of Andy Lau singing a couple of love songs to the couple while the guy presents a diamond-encrusted Beamer to his intended with ‘wo ai ni’ number plates. Maybe in the background a lawyer to ensure the items are all genuine.

  • http://www.magnoliaarts.com TLB

    Most here have hammered on Daisy, and that’s okay; there is one thing that strikes me as odd. Tell me if it’s just my 50-something-US-white-male-middle-class bias:

    what man structures the moment he’s going to propose to the woman he loves so that it can appear that he wasn’t serious about it if it doesn’t work out? :shock:

    • Ziccawei

      A Chinese man.

  • ahkiwi

    hmmmm … Zhang’s proposal lacked a certain style and flare … “oh, there’s something in the glovebox for you … ”

    Not how I would have done it. A park in spring or down on the beach early in the morning as the sun rises, etc.

    I can understand Daisy being a bit let down by that proposal :)

  • Carl

    Chrystal,

    Congrats on your engagement. Was yours as unexpected as Daisy’s? It was rather easy when I asked Ying to marry me. It was all done in online chat(before internet phone) with me in Texas and Ying in Yanji. After talking for nearly a year, I mentioned…

    “My trip to China is coming up soon… You want to get married?”
    “It is my dream.”
    “Is that a yes?”
    “Yes!”

    The rest as we say is history and I have never looked back or regretted my decision

    • keius

      I like your style. Every man’s dream. Wish everything was this simple. :mrgreen:

  • keius

    Why is it that it’s always the man’s responsibility on almost all those special occasions…
    Just goes to prove my point.

    We all know that girls/women are just too emotionally wrapped up in things that make a man’s mind spin like a blender. Too much emotion = no logic = a man going “WTF, what just happened??”.
    We should just be happy that we have someone we love and not put so much importance on how well thought out/executed a proposal turned out. ALOT of men are not very good at romance. Why? Because they are men, especially Chinese men. For the women out there, don’t give your man a hard time whey they try to be romantic and flop it. Be glad that they are even trying. It’s a good way to make sure they will never bother with the romance nonsense again.
    Personally, i don’t really try to be romantic at all anymore. I wasn’t very romantic even before marriage. I just try to be caring and affectionate whenever i can. It’s enough for my wife and she in turn does the same. (She still nags though…)
    What was my point again? oh yeah, how about switching it around and having women responsible for the marriage proposals? If the proposal stinks, i seriously doubt a man would give a hoot’s arse :mrgreen:

    • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

      This is the man’s world.
      What else left to women besides dreaming about a bit of romantics? :roll:

  • http://laowaiink.weebly.com Mark

    In China, as you said, couples are often “married” in their minds long before the actual proposal and wedding so it’s often not as much of a surprise as it is in the West. Still, I’ve rarely heard of a creative/romantic proposal in China, besides an ostentatious show of money But a little surprise and creativity goes a long way.

    When I was going to propose to my wife, I bought some diamonds during a trip to the US but her friend saw the diamonds first and she told my wife so that surprise wasn’t much of a surprise. We then had the ring made here in China so the ring wasn’t surprise either. But after the ring was made, I put it casually in my pocket and we walked out to the busy pedestrian shopping street. It was a full moon night, and I dropped to my knees, whipped out the fresh ring and asked her to marry me in a crowd of shoppers with open mouths. My wife was very happily surprised :-D.

    • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

      Wasai, Mark! What a nice guy! :smile:
      You saved me from losing the hope to find a true romantic here.

      • Nick

        Losing hope of finding a true romantic here? I’m hurt. :cry:

        Seriously, though… there are a few of us left, Crystal.

        I’m already working out plans so that when everything here is worked out, I can “pop the question” appropriately. I’d be curious to know what you, as a Chinese lady, would consider a romantic proposal.

        • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

          Well… maybe I will dive into Chinese forums and see what other Chinese girls think about it (and will come up with another post on this topic).

        • Oliver

          Hey Nick, my advice is (and this applies to men everywhere) – take the time to really understand what drives your girlfriend.

          A lot of girls have untested expectations about engagements and marriage; a lot of them don’t really know what makes them happy and go around thinking the big TV/film type grand proposal is what they want. This is not always the case. Really consider what makes your girl happy; look at the small details of life together. THen you can truly make something unique. And I don’t mean unique in the sense of 10,000 roses – it’s just roses.

          Many girls DO truly dream of the big poroposal, eithher because they are genuine romantics or because they love being showered with gifts and are obsessed with money. I’m not judging the latter type of women, I’m just saying that this is what makes them truly happy, and that you as a man need to either negoitate this or be prepared to meet all of these demands.

          Other girls expect something special because of peer pressure – from friends, colleagues or family. Understand that giving face is important in China (although I’m sure you already know that). So even if she is not that keen on a big thing deep down, she needs to be able to impess those around her. This is a VERY important consideration, as this can have a sustained effect on her mood and feelings. If money is tight, be creative to figure out something that can make up for a lack of substance with style. UNDERESTIMATE peer pressure at your peril. Even if you can’t fully understand why she behaves like that, it doesn’t matter. A man always needs to support his girlfirned/wife in public (I’ve learned all this the hard way).

          Maybe like my wife (Shanghainese, from age 26+) she is money sensitive. Even if she comes froma rich family, she is happier about getting more for less. In that case, either keep it low key or arrange a big affair on a low budget – her parents would probably be very impressed too, as well as aunts & co.

          Perhaps she is a rebel who sticks two fingers up to conformity. You know her best, so it shouldn’t be too hard to figure out what would please her. Maybe spray a big heart on the LV shop or something. Just whatever will make her happy.

          On a final note, it is VITAL that you see beyond a persons public persona. Especially with the rebel/frugal characters, it’s easy to misunderstand the proposal in their heart. Girls sometimes don’t make it easy, but the only things in life that have value are those that are worth fighting for. End of the day, if you can really figure out a girl’s feelings towards the engagemenet process, chances are you really understand her and will be able to satisfy her her whole life, giving you the most amazing marriage!

          I guess a load of guys on here think I am a sop for all this pro-girl talk, but the end of the day the engagement process for women is very important, their really special moment. I’m lucky my wife didn’t really care, but most women I presume do. Just like you’d want the perfect day if your team wins the Big Cup, give your girl something special.

          • Nick

            Oliver,

            Thank you for the advice. I assure you that I am watching very carefully, and I am fortunate that my angel is very practical and conservative about money. She freaked out once about the cost of my plane tickets to go see her, actually, but she was also very happy that I came to see her. She’d most likely freak if I bought 10,000 roses – just because they’ll all die in a week or so anyway. I did send her one dozen on 7/7 (Chinese Valentine’s day) and she was deeply moved that I even knew about it.

            I want it to be something memorable for her, and I want her to be able to tell the story proudly to her family and friends.

            And, Oliver, there’s nothing wrong with “pro-girl” talk. For those of us who truly love our ladies, we should already be thinking this way. For those who don’t, they need to learn. :smile: I am of the opinion that the true love of a real lady is the greatest treasure and gift a man could ever have, because he has a genuine soul-mate and best friend. I work very, very hard to maintain my relationship with my angel because I absolutely adore her. She is my best friend, my closest confidante, and my safe harbour in the storm-sea of life. I turn first to her with good news, and first to her for comfort when I am sad. She is my last conscious thought as I drift to sleep, and one of the first when I wake in the morning.

            I am not “obsessed” with her, but I am very much in love with her and I love her deeply. We are both older (late 40s), but we still enjoy the romance and playfulness of our relationship. I hope the she and I will be one of those couples for whom the honeymoon never seems to end. I can see that happening with her, because she is so sweet and affectionate. I found a wonderful lady, and I am going to be sure that I treat her properly so she knows just how wonderful she really is.

            Yes, Crystal, I’m hopeless.

            • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

              About a year ago, in one restaurant I saw a couple: both of them were 70+ and though they didn’t look younger than their age but they were really beautiful… you know when old people look – how to say – noble, maybe?

              After waitress took their order and left, they continued talking and the man gently took her hands in his hands (he was sitting opposite to her) – all the time they were smiling and looking into eyes of each other… If it would be possible – I would secretly take their picture :oops:

              But anyway, next time – I would approach such couple and ask how the man proposed marriage to his wife (well, I guess they were married)…

  • Jay K

    Guys, heed the words of Russell Peteres, “Be a man!”

    don’t propose to said gf, let the gf propose to you, and then make you a sandwich after the ordeal is over

  • Kurt

    Seems to me that only city girls have the luxury to dream about romantic marriage proposals. I would say the majority of girls in China is still doing things the old fashion way. Go back to their hometowns where they are setup by relatives. Hopefully meet a decent fellow. Now get marry, have children and call it a life.

    So much for pie in the sky marriage proposals…

  • Oliver

    At the end of the day it all comes down to the individual, and truly knowing someone. I’ve been married to a fairly wealthy Shanghainese girl for 2 years (I come from a working class European family), but our engagement was a very simple affair. 3 months into our relationship we were in the park in London after KTV with some friends. I was a bit drunk and at one point just turned to her and said, “do you want to get married?”. Her reply: “why not? Nobody else has asked me.”

    That was four years ago. I didn’t even have a ring. Which was fine, because my wife hates surprises and spontaneity. As do I. Instead we went shopping together for her engagement ring (she got 3 in the end, one diamond, one vintage gold, and one silver). Even though she comes from a well-off family, she didn’t want to waste money on an expensive ring or wedding. We even bought plain gold wedding bands from Tiffany’s (we both love the Audrey Hepburn film). Anyhow, my point is that it doesn’t have to be flashy, it needs to be something to make that person happy. A big surprise with a huge diamond ring would not have impressed my wife. But for other girls these things are important, and I think a man needs to truly understand his girlfriend before he proposes.

    In fact, our engagement has turned out to be a plus: It is a truly memorable event that many of her friends comment on from time to time. Other more impressive engagements are quickly forgotten.

  • Arnold

    Crystal , I don;t need to tell you I’m Ro……. , right .

    But the way Qing and I did the Magic Question .. was through EMF’s on the Chnlove Forum . Before ever having lay’d Eyes on each other . Of course the Romantic stuff started as soon as I made my first Trip to see Her and it never stopped . I think my Poem’s are proof of that .

    I certainly hope Romance will not be a thing of the past , that would be very sad .. not only for the Women .

  • Bill

    If marriage is inevitable then why would she care how he proposed? I thought how you propose matters only if she hasn’t decided yet and therefore you want to impress her into saying “yes”. But, if I were the guy in the situation, I would’ve just said “let’s get married already, stop with all this pretending”.

  • Django

    Zhang sounds like a coward as well as really bad at thinking on his feet. Most women want to be able to tell a nice wedding proposal story. Instead of saying something as simple as, “will you marry me?” at the moment it presented itself he comes up with, “maybe not”? That’s wishy-washy & very few women from anywhere find that an attractive quality. He wasn’t sure she would say yes at this point in their relationship? He has no balls & she should dump this guy unless she wants a lifetime of “I’m not sure” in every major decision they will face.

  • Ning Ning

    Diamonds and cocaine are very similar. Overpriced, overrated, and smuggled in someones arschloch. Just screams romance to me. Add the fact that the both drug and diamond money go to fund AK’s for african kids and ukrainian hookers for their dictators in cheetah-skin-hats leaves this bride unimpressed and look for more kosher options.

    I guess the fuss around engagement/weddings is comparative with the democracy-level and Gini-coefficient(income distribution). The biggest wedding receptions are in countries with huge income-gaps between rich and poor. Its pretty sad how a newly married couple can be left bankrupt after spending all their savings and even indebted after social pressure to show off to friends and family. Why not invest in their own life instead? Like housing and their future childrens education?

    Myself a friend of parties in general and weddings in particular don’t want to be a killjoy here but only remind that the important part is the shared life that comes after engagement and marriage. I read about an US research that showed that the probability of divorce decreases if the husband gets seriously ill (cancer, MS, Alzheimer’s…) but inreases if the wife is unlucky and goes chronic. So it looks like she is ready to fulfill the “through thick and thin” while he bails out when shit hits. I was ready to tie the knot after we saw this MV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGtrNZwqpCY and asked if he’ll wash my teeth if I forget how, and take care of me even if I forget who I am and that I love him…and he said “yes” :razz:

    • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

      That’s an interesting perspective. Your observation of the link between the luxury of wedding ceremonies and the gap between riches and poor is very curious and deserves a further “investigation”.

      I just wanted to stress the fact that my friend didn’t expect for diamonds. What she missed – was the lack of romantic aspect in the proposal.

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