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Dating and Marrying Chinese Girls

和中国女孩谈恋爱和结婚


Guest article by SamReeves

Sam Reeves has lived and worked in China for over eight years. He is the author of 'Chinese Dating Secrets Exposed', a book to help non-Chinese navigate the complex subject of dating and marriage with Chinese women.

Bruce Lee and Linda Lee

Bruce Lee breaking so-called cultural norms, with his wife Linda Lee (Linda Emery). Little Known Fact: Bruce Lee was one quarter German, on his mothers side

Anyone who’s ever been part of an inter-racial couple will know how it can be a headache on occasion; not only do you have to deal with curious looks on the street from other people, but even friends will sometimes ask ridiculous questions such as “what’s it like?”, as if you happen to be dating an alien. In the relationships I have had with Chinese women, to be honest, there have been occasions where I have felt they were from another planet.

We all know Chinese culture is different, but it’s the degree of difference that creates the problems. In America Caucasian males and Asian females make up the vast majority of the known inter-racial marriages; obviously it can be taken as a given that a large number of those Asian females are Chinese in origin, bearing in mind China has 1.3 billion people, not even including other countries nationals born of Chinese ancestry. Having a relationship with a Chinese female either within China, or outside of China can bring up a multitude of unforeseen problems, yet it’s not as if inter-racial dating and marriage is anything new.

China has a history that spans thousands of years (as we are often reminded). Some of the first recorded instances of inter-racial marriage occurred during the Tang Dynasty with the arrival of Islam. During this period large number of Arabs, Persians and Turkish males migrated from central and western Asia and married with Chinese females. Although this was initially discouraged, it was later encouraged during the Song dynasty, which allowed third-generation immigrants with official status to inter-marry with Chinese princesses. I have no idea how difficult relationships at that time must have been with an inter-racial couple, but knowing Chinese women, possible arguments that might have ensued might have been something like this:

Song Dynasty Inter-Racial couple

Arab male in China: What I wouldn’t give for a kebab right now!

His Chinese wife: We invented those you know.

Arab male in China: No you didn’t!

His Chinese wife: Yes we did!

Arab male in China: No you didn’t!

His Chinese wife: You don’t know anything!

Arab male in China: Aren’t you supposed to be submissive?

His Chinese wife: Like I said, you don’t know anything about Chinese culture!

***

Finding and marrying a Chinese girl is one thing, but in my own personal experience, and many other westerners I have known, actually maintaining and creating a harmonious relationship where both partners feel happy and content is quite another. One of the initial problems is the choice of partner; a westerner will often view a Chinese girl from his own cultural context seeing certain cues and signs as proof that the female he is with is loving, responsible and definitely a good prospect for marriage; this may be especially so compared to western females he may have dated before.

This is based on certain assumptions that a western male gets from his own culture which are not often considered. For example:

1. Chinese women must be somewhat the same as Western females, in thought and action, therefore it’s easy to judge what kind of person they are by using western females as a bench-mark, and…

2. After knowing a Chinese girl/woman for a period of months to years you will really know her true character and desires.

Honestly, neither of those assumptions are necessarily the case. There is a reason why over fifty percent of marriages between Canadian males and Chinese females end in divorce within two years, and it’s not because Chinese girls dislike Maple syrup or were only looking for a passport. It’s a rare Chinese woman who will ever initiate divorce proceedings, and even if she did, her family would try to strongly advise her against it (I say advise, what I really mean is ‘tell’).

Apart from the initial choice of partner, communication is by far the biggest problem in a relationship with a Chinese girl. This may at first seem to be a rather trite statement on my part, but I am not referring simply to the ‘language barrier’, which can be fairly easily remedied on both sides. I am actually referring to the way the Chinese mind works which can often be diametrically opposed to the way the western mind works.

The East-West Dichotomy

The east-west dichotomy has often been noted by scholars; the general idea being that westerners focus more on rationality, material and technical dynamism, and individualism, whereas those of the east have more of a focus on familial social orders, traditions and collectivism. The concept of the ‘east-west dichotomy’ has been challenged on various occasions, and in fact the gap is most definitely closing.

It should be no surprise though, that out of all the East Asian countries, China is the country that still retains its culture and traditions to a very strong degree. This has a large effect on relationships between western men and Chinese women and is something that can’t be ignored; this obviously is not a problem where a Chinese girl has a relationship with a Chinese man (both mainland born and raised) as the understanding between them is intrinsic and based on certain culturally accepted precepts.

Subjective speech Vs Objective speech Patterns

Out of all the relationships I’ve had with Chinese women, one of the things that often made me want to pull my hair out in frustration is this difference in communication. Basically put, due to the western education system, culture and language, westerners focus on specifics and direct response answers to questions, whereas Chinese people focus on generalities in their answers, in other words ‘non-specifics’.

So, for example ask a westerner “what are you doing?” and they will reply exactly by telling you what they are doing, e.g. “I’m doing some cooking”, this is not always the case with someone born and raised in China (not impossible though). I remember one of many occasions I had a conversation on the phone with my then Chinese girlfriend that should have lasted approximately thirty seconds and no more (it really would have with a western girl!). I had called her up to find out what time we were meeting that day and the conversation went like this:

Me: What time shall we meet then?

Her: I’m doing the housework.

Me:…..er, ok…..so what time shall we meet?

Her: I’ve still got a lot to do.

Me: Ok, so what time do you think you will finish?

Her: Even when I finish it’ll still take me time to put my make-up on.

Me: You don’t need make-up. What time?

Her: Why don’t you think I need make-up?

Me: You’re beautiful enough already. What time?

Her: Do you think all men think like that, or is it just you?

Me: Look! Can you just tell me what time we will be meeting please?

Her: You’re in a bad mood today!

Me: !!! I just want to know what time we will meet so I can prepare and not be late.

Her: What do you need to prepare, you’re a man, you don’t need make-up.

Me: ……………………………

Her: What time do you want to meet?

Me: (sighs’) Ok, six o’clock.

Her: I won’t have finished the housework by then.

Me: Look, all I need to know is what time you will be there so I won’t be late. That’s all, nothing else. Just give me a general idea; it’s not much to ask is it. I mean you don’t want me to be late do you?

Her: No. Well, I have the usual amount of the housework so you can work it out.

Me: I can’t! I can’t work it out! I don’t know what your average amount of housework is, your house is not my house; how can I know?

Her: Well my ex Chinese boyfriend would know.

Me: Well he must have been psychic then mustn’t he! Not to mention a saint!

Her: (ignoring my last comment) Well, I’ve already finished the dishes.

Me: ………..just call me when you’re done ok.

Her: What time?

The above conversation is actually the abridged version; I didn’t include the parts where she asked “where shall we meet?”, as that would make it twice as long. Now if you are a westerner you may be forgiven for thinking my then girlfriend was either

A. Incredibly stupid or B. Deliberately annoying,

but neither is actually the case; she graduated from one of the top ten universities in the United States and was (and is) by far one of the most intelligent and articulate Chinese female I have met in my time in China. This type of conversation is one of many I have had with her and other Chinese women (and men for that matter).

This difference in communication is based on China being what is called a ‘high context’ culture; in high context cultures not as much detail is given in the written or spoken level, much is implied or assumed based on the fact that the speakers hold similar views due to their upbringing within the same culture. America, in direct contrast, is what sociology terms as a ‘low context culture’. Within low context cultures exact details and specifics are given within the language, and this itself has greatly effected the development of the language.

For example, the word ‘anger’ in the English language has many sub-dividing quantifiers such as ‘irritation’, ‘rage’, ‘frustration’, ‘exasperation’ to name but a few, each with a slightly different meaning, but all with the root feeling of ‘anger’ connected. In the Chinese language however, this is much less the case, with the word ‘anger/sheng qi’ being a sufficient description in most cases, with the responsibility placed firmly on the listener to decipher the exact kind of the anger implied, based on various factors such as personalities involved, situation and cultural norms amongst others.

This in itself can cause ridiculous amounts of misunderstandings and arguments amongst a Chinese and western couple (regardless of the sexes of the parties involved). A westerner may on many occasions feel his Chinese girlfriend or bride is being deliberately obtuse, yet this is seldom the case.

Communication in Chinese language

Much of the details in communication between Chinese people are given as a generalization and it is assumed you will simply be able to guess the answer you are looking for upon hearing a general response. The truth is, if you were Chinese, you would actually be able to do this! After living in China for many years I one day realized I had acquired this ‘mysterious’ ability when I asked a girl I knew what she liked to do in her free time, her response was “oh, the usual”, to which I replied “shopping, watching T.V, going to K.T.V and eating”, “Yep”, she said, totally unsurprised that I knew the exact answer, but then chastised me by saying “you forgot to mention sleeping.”!

In Western society individuality is held up as a kind of ‘sacred cow’, something that should be developed in every person to a high degree. The truth is, if you don’t develop individuality to a high degree in western culture it’s very unlikely you will ever be successful in your chosen career, let alone be attractive to women or be able to go about your daily life without encountering numerous problems you cannot, yourself, deal with. The total opposite, however, is usually the case in China with its focus on familial and social relationships and ‘guanxi’ (social connections).

… to be continued

Sam Reeves

http://chinesedatingsecrets.com

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  • keius

    Loved the convo piece :mrgreen: I think it’s probably more extreme with Chinese women, but from my own experience, all women are sort of like that. It’s called being wishy-washy LOL. Women expect men to be able to read their minds, feelings, emotions, body language, etc….as if we “should” know, and that it’s our fault if we don’t.

    I do have to admit, i have similar convo’s all the time…involving going out…what she want’s to eat…etc.

    • http://chinesedatingsecrets.com/ SamReeves

      Ya, that’s true Keius. In western culture we are pretty much aware of this difference between the male and female thought process and so make compensations for it. It just makes a lot more problems when you throw in the indirect speech patterns and cultural differences of thinking and expectations.

      You kind of reminded me of whenever I’ve taken a walk with a woman, I was simply looking to get to the destination, while they were ‘enjoying the journey’ and getting frustrated at my walking pace :sad:

      @Wandering American: Yep, patience, you’re absolutely right. I sometimes do a kind of conversation drill with them, whereby I ask random direct questions and make sure each time they answer with direct response answers in quick succession. It drives them insane after a couple of minutes, and then I tell them “now you know how I feel!”. It at least gives them an insight into a communication issue, and how to adapt to their partner to a degree.

      I’m sure it could work the other way where a Chinese female could then ask her western boyfriend/husband direct response questions and make sure he answers in an indirect way. Then again, that might be pointless as it might go something like this:

      Her: Where are you going?
      Him: To the usual places.
      Her: Oh, I know exactly where you mean, see you later then!

  • http://wanderingamericantravelblog.blogspot.com/ WanderingAmerican

    Great article. This is sooooo true. In situations where you can’t get a direct answer out of them you have to have patience and drag it out. Been there done that! :lol:

  • http://www.saschamatuszak.com sascha

    Yeah i constantly lose my mind trying to get an answer to a simple question or an explanation of what exactly happened. Ever seen a Chinese map? lol

  • 3jay

    Excellent article, SR. Loved it, and looking forward to the next part!

  • http://www.magnoliaarts.com TLB

    Good read; keep ‘em coming. I’m not sure where you got the high context-low context ideas from, but Edward Hall’s “Beyond Culture” from the 1970s is a very good source of these kinds of approaches to understanding cultural difference. His books are scholarly but meant for a general audience. They make for great tools for approaching one’s own culture as if “from the outside” as you’re trying to help us do.

    You do realize that in your conversation above, you’re the one that sent it off down another path, right? Your comment about her not needing makeup was just a throw-off comment to you, but she was much more interested in that than in answering your specific question (which I guess is to your point). I suspect women everywhere might react in a similar way though. ;-)

  • Bill

    “If you loved me you would already know what I want” is something I’ve heard more than once from my Chinese wife.

    Mother’s Day is coming up. So, do I ask her what she would like for Mother’s Day? Not on your life! If I care about her, I will have taken an interest and already know what she wants. Actually, she doesn’t care what I do or buy for her – she just wants to know that I take the time and energy for her.

    I think much of the communication problem between couples has to do these kinds of things. It’s not restricted to Chinese women by any means, but I’ve found more often than not that they think that too much direct and rational communication sort of cheapens the relationship.

  • http://chinesedatingsecrets.com/ SamReeves

    @Sascha: I must admit I’ve not paid too much attention to Chinese maps, I might well do from now on. I imagine they would be something along the lines of: ‘here it is! This is the place….well…someone told me it was here… i’m pretty sure it is here…have a look (ps. you can know it’s here because there is a restaurant close buy that sells delicious food, maybe you can have a try)’

    Actually there is a Chinese map of the world I saw years ago in a museum in the U.K, the map is hundreds of years old. On the map where Britain is, is the Chinese for Britain and then underneath in Chinese it says ‘part of China’! I’m not joking, wish I could remember what museum it was in.

    @3jay: Thanks a lot 3jay, I appreciate it.

    @Hi TLB: High context/low context cultures is a scale judgement in sociology. The scale is between 1 to 5, 1 being a high context culture, and 5 being a low context culture. China has been placed by sociology (due to comparisons with other cultures) as ‘number 1′!… Or at least one of the highest context cultures in the world. Brazil is a five. I agree with you though, these structures are simply a way to be able to try to understand and define another culture… us westerners do so love to define and quantify.

    Yep, I know I shouldn’t have mentioned the ‘make-up’ part to her, I regretted it as soon as I did, as then I got trapped in the other communication difficulty between men and women…when all I wanted to know was the time. :???:

    @Bill: Yeah, every woman loves a mind reader :smile:
    It’s funny that many women may think that direct communication cheapens a relationship, I think it really helps. But many Chinese women are a whole different level. The language itself just gives too many general answers. I used to think it was simply an inability to communicate in English in my first years… but then found in Chinese it was exactly the same :shock: patience is a virtue as they say.

  • Neil

    Re: the conversation

    I’m wondering if it could be seen another way? Maybe she just wanted you to take charge, be the man in the situation, direct her to meet her at a certain time, or tell her that you can only be there within a certain time range.

    I’d be genuinely interested to know if this could be the case. My wife and I have been communicating very well, and I have not yet witnessed this degree of wishy-washyness (for lack of a better word).

    Sure, sometimes I’ll ask her what she is eating for supper, and she will reply: rice. I know darn well she is not eating only rice. I’m sure there are 6 plates or bowls on the table, at least 3 of which are meat dishes. But I don’t press the issue – it was a stupid question, and if she had been out at a restaurant, eating steak, she would have answered: steak.

  • Bored in Melbourne

    Neil I think you are going down the right path.

    I dated a girl from Beijing about 4 years ago and she is now a great friend. When we first went out she told me directly to make all the decisions as she did not want to think after 5pm. She is an intelligent girl, well educated a now running a medium sized business back in BJ with her Mother. The point was that she wanted me to be the man and be in charge of those decisions, it make her feel safe and secure to play the traditional subservient role with me and I decided what was not only best for her, but use my judgement based on what I knew of her to select what she would also like. Perhaps a test of sorts.
    Of course I am attracted to stronger women who like to think for themselves so this was doomed with me as I found it unattractive in a woman, that she would not give me direct feedback on what worked for her. I encourage the same in bed of course, after all and experienced woman who knows what works ‘for her’ is far more satisfying an experience that trying everything in the hope of a chance of getting it perfect.

  • http://chinesedatingsecrets.com/ SamReeves

    @ Neil: The angle you mention is definitely another issue. That does happen a lot in relation to Chinese women. It just wasn’t ever a problem with that particular woman.

    Maybe I should explain a little bit more about what I’m getting at to everyone. This propensity for answering questions in an in-direct fashion is based on Mandarin, common patterns of speech in the language and a way of thinking which by comparison to westerners is ‘backwards’(by backwards I don’t mean undeveloped; simply opposite).

    So you and I are westerners and I ask you, “where’s your hometown” and you will then go straight for the specific as that’s the answer to the question logically (western logic), and answer “New York”, or whatever your hometown may be. So the pattern looks like this:

    Specific question > specific answer

    Yet the pattern of the question in Chinese doesn’t go that way. So I ask a Chinese person the same question (male or female) and they will most often answer by telling me the province they are from, not the town, then after further pushing and questioning they will hone it down to the actual town. It’s no matter the question is in English or Chinese, it’s almost always the same result, unless the individual has learnt to think in a manner of western/English logic. So their pattern goes something like this:

    Specific question > General answer > A bit less general answer > more specific answer > specific answer

    From a western point of view this wastes a lot of time and is a backwards form of answering a question, but in Chinese logic and language patterns it’s the common way, ‘start wide and then specify when pushed’.

    Some Chinese students can get the logic to the western language quicker than others, but for many others it takes a long time, some never do get it… not that I’m saying they should mind you; but in view of a relationship with a westerner it’s a rather important point in my opinion.

    As to your wife Neil ….she’s a keeper! Don’t let that one go! :grin:

    @Bored in Melbourne – ‘When we first went out she told me directly to make all the decisions as she did not want to think after 5pm’: That’s one of the funniest quotes I think I’ve ever read related to Chinese women. You made me spit my coffee out all over my P.C! You gotta’ let me use that quote one day, that’s gold!

    • sarah

      I got to give to it you gentlemen who are patient in pursuing love with this tremendous communication barriers. I have read the sample of conversation and thinks” what’s the problem with this lady?”, and I am a woman. Good luck with you ,gentlemen. Hope it is worth it what you are looking for.

  • sleekgecko

    I don’t agree with this article’s over-intellectualized “east-west” dichotomy, or hapless tirade about “individualism.” It’s also another negative rag about how problematic such relationships must inevitably be. In fact, such relationships are often very successful. Perhaps, very telling is that the “typical” Asian or Asian-American woman and Caucasian man couple is now regularly appearing in television advertisements, e.g., for Progressive Insurance, Angie’s List (even a typical husband and pregnant Asian-American wife). If advertisers are now openly employing this couple image to generate sales, it must mean that advertising analysts find such relationships have proliferated to such an extent they’re representative of major purchasing markets. Also, inter-racial couples are these days very popular across the board. Advertisers, I would guess, use Asian-Caucasian inter-racial couples in advertising because, perhaps, it’s the most common one out there. So, the proof is in the pudding.

  • http://chinesedatingsecrets.com/ SamReeves

    @sleekgecko: Actually sleekgecko, I haven’t got to my ‘hapless tirade’ about individualism quite yet, that’s the focus of the next part. That’s why it says at the base ‘…to be continued’.

    The article is based on my observations after living in China for quite some years, and having known and been in contact with literally thousands of ‘mainland Chinese’. Not to mention relationships with females (although those don’t number in the thousands… I don’t have that much energy).

    There’s a world of difference between a mainland Chinese born person and a western born Chinese person. My article in particular is talking about mainland born Chinese. I should say sleekgecko these observations are not simply my own. Further more, the above observations are based on many Chinese peoples’ observations too. Ironically, they have a more clear understanding of this than most of us westerners do.

    What I do find very interesting about your comment though, is your allusion to advertisers using Asian/Caucasian couples in advertising. I hadn’t known that… but I do now.

    Anyway, thanks for your comment sleekgecko. It’s been emotional.

    Sam

    ps. I never said relationships between Asian and Caucasians can’t be successful. More particularly, in this article I’m focusing on some difficulties between westerners (that includes non-Caucasians) and mainland Chinese.

    • sleekgecko

      Fair enough, Sam. However, be advised, I have been in a very serious relationship with a mainland Chinese woman, too. She had been traumatized by something you didn’t mention, which is the Chinese Cultural Revolution (conceededly, by far, most chinese women dating these days were born after the CR). Beyond that, for whatever reason, I found her much easier to get along with, and enjoy, when compared to Caucasian women whom I’ve dated. My view is the difficulties in communication, approach, or understanding aren’t that serious, and, in any event, cut both ways. Maybe because of the “East-West dichotomy,” my Chinese wife does things, sometimes, that may be perceived by me as bizarre, or strange, or she says something in her accent that sounds ridiculous. Rather than generate a “headache,” makes me laugh.

      • http://chinesedatingsecrets.com/ SamReeves

        Ahhh, now I get where you’re coming from. Yep, I can perfectly understand your view then. I’m assuming you were of a similar age to her too. Bearing in mind the combined life experience of the two of you, that absolutely makes a difference. Not to mention her experiences during the cultural revolution putting many things in perspective from her point of view.

        The wisest people I’ve met in China have been the ones who endured the cultural revolution. They don’t go in for too much silly thinking, cultural or otherwise. I like to talk to them as I’m quite interested in that period of time in Chinas’ history, but it’s very hard to get them to open up about it, for the exact word you used ‘traumatized’. I guess it’s somewhat similar to asking a war veteran to tell you war stories, it’s just not something they want to talk too much about which is understandable. I have a lot of respect for that age group in China.

        Thanks for the reply sleekgecko, and the explanation.

  • GentleGiant

    Reading this has been a huge relief, until now I had put the vague answers down to my poor translation skills. :???:

    To be fair though, I never experienced anything as bad as the examples quoted; except for the “Where are you from” question; and I have found that, over time, my Chinese fiancé has started to give more direct answers to me.

    Also, she has never assumed I would know what she meant to the “what are you doing” question and answer; although when she tells me she has had a day of rest, I always ask if she bought any nice shoes :lol:

    A relationship is reliant on more than simple communication, each person must learn about, and adapt to the other; including the understanding that when a question is asked in English, a direct answer is probably wanted; if after months together, a woman is still giving vague replies, perhaps she has not really made the effort to understand you.

  • http://chinesedatingsecrets.com/ SamReeves

    @GentleGiant: I’m glad the article was of some use to you GentleGiant…and I’m sure your translation skills are just fine :lol:

    Your absolutely right, adapting is the key. Without that things can be hard. Some types are better at it than others mind you.

    Thanks for your comment :smile:

  • http://yffm.wordpress.com/ Kevin

    Yes, pure gold, BiM: “I don’t think after 5 p.m.” Beat hands down the best one along those lines that I’ve heard in Taiwan (“I don’t think while I’m eating.”)

    And great application of Hall’s ideas, Sam (though it was someone else who mentioned Hall). Hilarious dialogues. And generalities first with geography: just last week, I was thinking about that, as it’s the same with many Taiwanese.

    One thing you didn’t mention is repetition. How much of that is there now in China? The degree is lessening year-by-year now in Taiwan, but an extraordinary number of Taiwanese still reflexively repeat as questions statements that others say. Many Westerners (Gentle Giant?), when this happens to them, somehow attribute this to their own bad Chinese pronunciation – go for years and years without noticing that many Taiwanese are doing this with each other, too. Especially in service-industry conversational exchanges. Requests and orders are not merely repeated so that the customer can say no if the worker has heard wrong; they’re repeated as questions so that the customer HAS TO answer/repeat. One way to understand this is as phatic communication – an exchange whose purpose is not information exchange but rather grooming-behavior bonding. But it also appears to be a buffer against too much directness; if information just started flowing back and forth consistently and on a mass scale, the harmony value would come under threat.

    I do want to say that I think Hall’s ideas, while greatly enlightening, are best applied with care in one’s own (non-business/job)interactions. It’s usually the low-context speaker in an exchange who ends up taking responsibility for the gulf between communication styles. Why should this be the case?

    And I agree with those above who said high-context does not describe all Chinese (yeah, that CR generation is so much more interesting and smart), because it doesn’t describe all Taiwanese, either. Cultures in individual families matter, too, as do, probably, genes. Most of all, the trend, praise Allah, appears to be slowly-but-irreversibly toward lower context here in Taiwan. So I’d say Hall is fantastic for description but … well, for me, anyway… is nothing with regard to prescription except in a negative way: He clarified for me what I didn’t want to do — solidified my resolve to avoid high-context conversations as much as possible in Taiwan … and everywhere else, too.

    Further, I think there’s no getting away from universal psychology with regard to this stuff. People who have self-chosen goals, unless they are dishonest, in most cases want lower-context communication than do people in their culture who lack personal goals.

    In Taiwan, I refuse to repeat myself, but I’d like to repeat here: Great article, Sam. I’m linking to it in a comment on our latest post over at Yellow Fever, Foreign Moons (our blog) as it relates to that post. And I’ll probably be linking to it again in comments whenever Hall-theory issues come up. Great job and looking forward to the next part and what looks to be a take-down of stances like mine.

    • http://chinesedatingsecrets.com/ SamReeves

      Thanks Kevin,

      I must admit I get virtually none of the repeating of the questions. It must be a Taiwan thing….or maybe they really just particularly like to repeat you! :lol:

  • Gorbachev

    This is just as true for Koreans.

  • http://www.sarajaaksola.com Sara

    Interesting post Sam! I don’t have much experience about Chinese girls, but I can share one about my Chinese boyfriend and his relatives. Chinese people use that kind of tone in their speach that is considered angry in Finland. Also their way of speaking is different which sometimes causes me some trouble.

    Sometimes when I’m discussing something with my boyfriend he begins to use that kind of tone and way of speaking. Automatically I interpret that he is angry or upset with me. This can result me raising my voice ;) Then I remember that he is just talking the Chinese way!

    Also in the dinner table with his relatives i often fee like they are critisicing me, but in reality they are just asking my boyfriend what kind of food I like and don’t like. With my brain I know that it’s just the way they speak, but still I can’t help having that feeling.

    The first 22 years I get used the Finnish way of speaking and living. It’s not always easy to change and adapt to the Chinese ways. But I sure am trying!

    • goodattitude

      That is a very good attitude to promote your relationship with your Chinese boyfriend because that will help to eliminate any misunderstandings on both sides. Your Chinese boyfriend is a very lucky person to have got you to be his girlfriend. You are gold to many Chinese men.

    • http://chinesedatingsecrets.com/ SamReeves

      Yep Sara, when Chinese people speak loudly it simply means they are close to you, go into any Chinese mainland restaurant and listen for the noise to know how close they are! :grin:

      It took me a while to get used to, you’re not the only one. ;-)

    • http://www.magnoliaarts.com ZhuBaJie

      Thanks for this extension of the issue Sara, our own culturally learned emotional responses to speech manners — interpretive moves, if you will — can take us down the wrong path very easily. My Chinese wife, several times, has said things that, were an American wife to say them, I would take as complaints, but I’ve learned that she’s just being very direct and matter-of-fact (which is a statement about how close and safe she feels emotionally with me). Her statements in these moments are not complaints but just statements of facts as she sees them. I’ve been slow to learn that, but I am learning it (emotional responses are slow to eradicate).

    • Nzp47

      Know what you mean . My with is from Guilin in south China . I remember the first time I heard her on the phone to her girlfriend . I thought to start with they were having a fight from the amount of noise and the tone .

  • Go_For_It

    Sara, I believe mixed marriage is a good thing although there will probably be some misunderstandings or unhappiness due to cultural crash or different custom. But at the same time, you have to understand husband-wife conflicts also happen in marriages from same-culture, same race, same speaking language, same nationality; and there is over 50% of marriages ended up in divorce. This may indicate cross-cultural courtship is one way for both sides to work harder to understand each other and put up with each other. Both of you and your boyfriend is to set a good example and encourage many European-Chinese couple to make better future for many many generations to come.

  • Kevin

    DAMN, SAM! I said that I would link to your article here over at YFFM. Just remembered that now and put it as an update to our June 5th post.

  • adam

    G’day from Brisbane. Hmmm. All these problems with Chinese women! I had them too. Then again, I had the dedication to learn the language and am now fluent. You guys may want to try that? Like me, you might end up married to a wonderful woman.

  • http://www.magnoliaarts.com ZhuBaJie

    adam, you’re spot on! :mrgreen:

    However, it should be said that speaking Chinese fluently won’t totally eliminate cultural differences — they will still have to be dealt with; still, if you do learn the language, you have a leg up on how they think, as that’s embedded there.

    My experience aligns with adam’s — I speak Mandarin with my wife, not yet fluent but passable. I recommend it.

  • paul k

    man i laughed so hard reading this !!!! hehehe

    the conversation with your girlfriend was funny as hell !!!

    i been there but now for more fun throw in the part where my wife has bad english on top of the chinese logic !!!

    there were times i just wanted to cut my rists with a dull butter knife !!! since i was having an agonising death anyways !!!! hehehe

    it can be real torture getting a simple strait answer !!!
    sometimes do you think china is like religous cult where people just murmer rederic alday like brainwashed cult followers ????

    my wife is getting better at giving me strait answers now she does not want to drive me crazy so she is trying to be different !!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ADF4AOXM4UBK5HOP33QSHOEA2U Lestat de Lioncourt

    in the end of an annoying and frustrating conversation you just say, ok, i’m sorry its all my fault… yes, it is my fault all along… so yeah, what time do we meet? ( then that vicious cycle begins again ) sooner than later… you want a chinese GF?  take my advise.. keep your feelings to yourself or you will waste a lot of time, effort and $$$ and a broken heart.. and it don’t matter if you and your Chinese GF are in good terms.. once the chinese family ( relatives and specially the parents comes in the picture or conversation ) you would want nothing more than to escape this bleak reality that you actually have a chinese GF…